Ongoing encounter with a Jehovah Witness couple episode 1 & 2

My wife and I have been talking with a JW couple, John and Roxanna, for the past few weeks. Last week we discussed the knowledge needed to be saved, as the JW’s make a big deal about this and continually reference John 17:3. My main contention is that the JW’s level of required knowledge is different than what the bible actually requires and also how quickly you can come to that knowledge. Acts 16 is a prime example of someone being told the gospel and in a short time becomes baptized, probably less than 24 hours. We have no idea what knowledge the jailer had before being preached to by Paul and Silas, but we know he was not a Jew and probably knew very little if nothing about the fulfillment of the Messiah’s coming. He started with almost little knowledge and within a VERY SHORT time, became a believer.

Now, I also asked who determines this knowledge and if I can I get saved today. On knowledge, it was the level of knowledge required for each individual to believe, so for some it could be quick and others it could take some time. They had no pre determined time that is required to come to this knowledge. There own material in regard to baptism even says you have to regularly attend meetings, show change in your life before baptism. They gave me lip service that someone could be saved and baptized in the same day, but I just didn’t believe it cause that is not what they teach. We have had other JW’s come to our house and they talked about “emotional” professions of faith, which I agree we need to be on guard so that a person is not swept up into a frenzy, but at the same time, the gospel is simple:

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[2 Corinthians 11:3]

I don’t recall a straight, simple answer if I could be saved and baptized in the same day. John said in his case he was ready to get baptized, but he waited and went to a local assembly that weekend, where baptisms are usually always done. The truth is they don’t believe that a person can make a profession of faith after a quick exposure to the gospel, because to them it is “emotional” response and emotions can’t be trusted. You have to go thru their desired steps before you can “make a dedication to Jehovah.” This runs counter to the NT and the countless examples of men not needing to go thru a program to become a believer.

Romans 10:9-11
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

JW’s counter with the response, “Well the men in Acts 2 had knowledge of the OT and the prophecies, they just needed it clarified.”
“The eunuch with Philip was already aware of the prophecy, and just needed it clarified.”
“We don’t know how long Paul and Silas were in jail: 3 months, 24 hours. The jailer could have heard them preach and sing praises to God several times and already have a large amount of necessary knowledge of scripture. He was asleep the last night, but that does not mean he slept at that time every night.”

The jailer example above shows their desire to put some undetermined length of time between first contact and professions of faith to show that quick professions are emotional and that it takes some “time” to gain knowledge. From the context of the scripture, it is easily discernible that it all occurred in a 24 hour period. Also, he washed their stripes, which if weeks or months have past, would probably be mostly healed or horribly infected.

On my next entry I will discuss why we need to see JW’s as unbelievers in need of a Saviour, rather than just people stuck in a cult.

One Response to “Ongoing encounter with a Jehovah Witness couple episode 1 & 2”

  1. I think here you are collect and I am waiting for your next entry. Bern

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